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Diehard Platinum Upgrade

ramv

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I installed the the 34/78 DT type (dual terminal type) Platinum.  Nothing to it, except I left off the little foam deal the AC Delco had. This appears to be the correct battery size as it bolted right in.   The main reason I chose the Platinum was the single battery had a hard time turning over the big block.  My first was replaced under warranty due to slow cranking about a year ago.  The cost of a single platinum was much less then a dual battery setup even with cheap batteries.  Install was easy as well.  At cold temperatures (-20F) the Platinu actually has more cranking amps then two lead acid batteries. ??? :eek:

The dual terminals are cool as I now can tie my winch into the proper post terminals.

So far so good.  :B:

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It never hurts to have some extra juice on tap  :love:
 
Ya bought a great battery, if my yellow tops ever go bad that's the way I'm going. They are made by the same folks as the Odyssey
 
I have 2 of those babies in my AV and I love them, I should had bought the 2nd one with single post but ah what the heck you never know what I will be adding, now I started moving everything over to the 2nd. battery even my Painless auxiliary fuse block.
 
Hard to believe it has warranty until 2017!  (100 month pro rated, 4 year replacement).

I put a Walmart special in my fiance's Golf and I have a Optima red top in the Dodge, so it will be a fun comparison 

I had a Diehard GOld in my Ranger from 1997 until I sold it 2001, and never had a problem (some decent winching on that one), so I expect big things.

The Red top has been so so.  I actually liked the Mopar stock battery better but it leaked acid when I laid the truck over, so I needed the AGM style.,
 
I have one of these also. I was going to put in a yellow top but the sales man talked me out of it with the warrenty this one has.
 
jimbo53188 said:
nice choice, you should be able to LOOK at the key & it'll start!  :laugh: :laugh:


Ha Ha, when I first turned the key, the truck durn near flipped over on it's side!
 
MS03 2500 said:
Ya bought a great battery, if my yellow tops ever go bad that's the way I'm going. They are made by the same folks as the Odyssey

Well after 4 years my 10 year old yellow tops are being replaced one is dead and one is still good, bit the bullet and got 2 diehard platinum group 65 sears had them on sale for 153 bucks could not pass them up for that price.
 
Grrr someone told me a group size 65 battery would be easy to put in, this thing belongs in a fork lift. Thank jimbo lol
 
Done the Group 65 batteries are in. Had to make a strap for the second battery. Had to move the PCM to get the primary in, going to hook up the accessory wiring sunday or monday.

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MS03 2500 said:
Well after 4 years my 10 year old yellow tops are being replaced one is dead and one is still good, bit the bullet and got 2 diehard platinum group 65 sears had them on sale for 153 bucks could not pass them up for that price.
I thought they were supposed to last longer?
My cheapo battery from Autozone is in year 5 now.
Stock one went 6 or so years...

seems like waste of $$ to me for that type of service
 
I caught them on sell for 153 bucks each, the one yellow top that was the primary is still good.

Remember I'm still in Michigan with cold winters.
 
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DANG IT!   Why did I wait over a month before logging into this forum?

The sale is over.  I checked just now.  Had I known, I'd have bought two more of these great batteries, for another vehicle.  

Shuzzbut!

PS... MS03... I'm impressed that you stuffed Ford Group 65's in there.  I think they have slightly higher ampacity than the Group 34/78DT that is the OE fitment for GM.
 
Yeah a little  930 CCA versus 850 CCA.

I saw 66 bucks off the normal price I knew I was going to get them sooner or later
 
Well, I just replaced the Platinum P4s.  All my former Bruce Willis talk of Die Hard, Die Harder fell a little short of the mark.  In the words of the late Gary Coleman... "what choo tawkin bout Willis?"

2008:  Installed two Platinums

These batteries had an 8 year warranty, with 4 years free replacement.  I thought I wouldn't be touching batteries in this vehicle for at least 4 years, if not 7 or 8.  I was wrong.  I installed two batteries, but I postponed completion of the OEM charge relay trigger wiring integration, due to the complexity of removing both the underhood and the mid body electrical centers to pull apart the multi terminal connectors and replicate GM's RPO TP2 exactly like factory. 

Because of this wiring installation delay, my 2nd P4 functioned entirely as an independent back up battery.  I would plug in charge it about every 6 months or so, because it came in handy quite often to give myself my own jump starts, as the main battery was dying all the time (yes a Platinum P4... dying).

2011:  Removed Main Platinum P4

After 3.5 years, I finally got fed up giving myself jumpstarts, and set about really diagnosing the root cause of why the main P4 was dead as far as starting the car was concerned, but alive and well as far as my meter was concerned.  I had to buckle down and get it done at this time, as the 4 year guaranteed full replacment was set to expire in a few months. 

As it turned out,  the reason why the meter was showing full voltage (12.7v), and yet the battery appeared dead to the car, was because the meter probes were always placed across the top posts, and the car was always hooked up to the side posts.  When I finally removed the battery altogether and metered the side posts, I found the same problem that the car did.  One of the externally mounted side posts of the battery had an intermittant connection internally.

An internet research binge confirmed this problem with the Odeyssey PC1500 34/78DT as well as the Sears Platinum P4 Group 34/78DT equivalent.  A phone call to Enersys, the manufacturer, confirmed that there was a batch of the 34/78DT size batteries with externally mounted side posts that had this problem a few years earlier (circa 2007-:cool: but the problem had since been corrected (circa 2009-2010).  A series of reviews for the P4 found on Sear's Online confirmed that this issues was widespread, and not unique.

2011:  Replaced Main P4 Platinum

Just a few months before free replacment would turn into proration, I was able to exchange the faulty P4 with a new one.  The 2nd P4, that had always reliably performed as a back up battery, did not have any faults.  I tried wriggling and wrangling the external side post to produce a fault under a meter, but the voltage remained steady, so only one battery was replaced.

The new battery had a different label (Sears revised the label to all the Platinum line), and of course, was manufactured several years after the first pair of batteries.  It bothered me to have two otherwise twin batteries to be of dissimilar age greater than the replacement warranty period, with different labels to boot.

2012:  Removed the 2nd P4 battery

I sold the original and and always reliable back up P4 battery at a steep discount, intending to apply the funds towards a new P4 to match the replaced P4 from 2011.  In hindsight, I wondered if that was a good decision, as I later learned that I probably sold the best battery I had.  In the meantime, I postponed the repurchase of the second battery until finishing the relay wiring circuit to enable both batteries to charge off of the alternator, and to be able to manually parallel the batteries via a separate switch.  So during this period of time, the vehicle was back to one battery... which was the replacement to the original failed battery.

2012:  Removed replacement P4 battery.

Turns out, the replacement P4 battery wandered it's way down to 3.94 volts.  A battery is considered "dead" at 11.4 volts, and on it's way to being "unrecoverable" if it falls below 10 volts.  Below 9 volts, ruined cells are suspected, and below 6 volts, multiple ruined cells.  This battery was under 4 volts. Yes, the mighty Platimum P4, with the reported 2 year non recharged shelf life while still remaining at useable charge on it's own, was down to 3.94 volts after less than one year.

Result:

I've exchanged the main P4 battery for the second time, and purchased another second P4 battery (making it actually the 5th P4 battery I've had to handle in the 4 years since thinking I wouldn't have to touch a battery again for 8 years).

I've spent approximately $650.00 on P4 batteries in the past 4 years.  (including taxes, but not considering the $100 I received for the good P4 that I sold, and not including the additional $550 spent on wiring, relays, trays, fusible links, hardware, etc, for mounting the second battery).

I've installed, removed, reinstalled, removed etc batteries 5 times in the past 4 years.

Just offering some real life experience on what it means to install the so called "be all end all" of car batteries.  Not quite the experience I was expecting when Consumer Reports rated this battery as the highest battery they've ever rated, with solid red full circles on every parameter.  No other battery they've tested has rated higher.

All things considered, if I could return back to 2008 and start over, would I go with P4's again?

Absolutely.  After removing and installing batteries these past 5 times, and having ZERO corrosion to clean up out of the battery trays... ZERO white powder... ZERO tray removal for repainting... ZERO rust...  that is worth the expense right there.  I will never go back to flooded wet cell batteries.  Been there, done that battery corrosion clean up BS all through the 70's, 80's and 90's.  Regardless of the ampacity, longevity, and reliability of the P4, it is so nice not to have to deal with that corrosion crud anymore.

 
Geesh what are you doing to them, I haven't had any problems yet.

But I have to admit beside the stock battery that died in 06 I did go through 2 yellow tops.
 
Buy this next time and save ya some $$$ for the same technology...


Duralast Platinum  

$144 not including exchange...

 
Thanks ygmn for the tip on the Duralast Platinums... but I'm all set for another 8 years on my DieHard Platinums.

It looks like the Duralasts are trying to capitalize on the "Platinum" branding that Sears has built with Odyssey, and that attempt to create consumer confusion doesn't sit well with my pysche.  Riding on the coattails of someone elses' effort is leach like.  I had the same feeling when the Exide "Orbital" appeared as a knock off of the Optima Spiracell.

Comparing the Duralast Platinum to the original DieHard Platinum:

Warranty:  3 years versus 4 years full replacement

Cold Cranking Amps:  750 CCA versus 850 CCA

Reserve Capacity:  120 minutes versus 135 minutes

Weight (an indicator of lead content) :  42.5 lbs versus 53 lbs.  (the real "Platinum" is over 20% heavier!)


So yes, while I've been through a couple of Odyessey/DieHard Platinums in less time than I anticipated upon initial installation, both problems (loose external side post in one battery, and lower than recoverable voltage in another) were solved with free replacements.  I only bought a new battery so that the replacements would match up in date (since I run and charge duals), as well as to reset the clock back to 8 years on the warranty, with four years on the free replacement.

There are some significant service and convenience advantages of the Autozone battery over the Odyessey branded battery, because Autozones are everywhere, and are open after work and on weekends, just like Sears Auto Centers.  The Odyssey branded dealers are very few and far between, mostly mail order, and are typically only open 9 to 5 weekdays, if they are open to the public at all.  That fact drove my purchase toward the Sears DieHard branded version of the otherwise excellent Odyssey battery.  If Sears did not sell this battery, then I would definitely have considered the Autozone Duralast Platinum, despite it's clearly lesser specs, simply because they have stores everywhere that are open during the times that I can get tto them.

Thanks for the link!
 
That's the same reason I did not get the Odyssey either, no place near me that sells them.
 
Great insight and real experience. I have been abusing the Diehard Platinum batteries for many years now. Only three in the family right now, but with my experiences there WILL be more in my future.
My Avalanche carries two:

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