how to burn out??

[04avZ71]

the other day i was trying to burn out in my av, so i put it in 2 high, put it in neutral, revved it up, and slammed it into drive and all i get is this little squeek. i know this car can burn out SOMEHOW because of its power, but just how do you do it?

[Pat353]

neutral drops are a sure way to kill your tranny quick, if you want to do it just nail the gas or maybe hold the brake and gas it. The second way isnt the best either but better then dropping it in gear  

[Z66 BUTCH]

the other day i was trying to burn out in my av, so i put it in 2 high, put it in neutral, revved it up, and slammed it into drive and all i get is this little squeek. i know this car can burn out SOMEHOW because of its power, but just how do you do it?

If you are dropping it into 2nd gear you are making a mistake right there! 2nd gear from a stop will actually take off in 2nd gear, NOT first! it is programed to do that to allow extra traction is icey conditions!

Butch

[WILDFIRE]

try reading here

or here

[Alaska_AV.]

I know an AV owner who was doing that, reving it and dropping in gear.
You would have thought a grenade exploded but it was his rear Differential. He ended up in 4 high to limp off in Front wheel drive.........

[PUNISHER]

   yeah.  neutral drops are not a good idea.  the reason your AV does not burn out the way you want while in drive, like a sports car for example, is because of TM.  or, Torque Management.  

   to eliminate TM you could use the DiabloSport Predator Programmer.  not only will it defeat TM, but allow for a bunch of other modifications as well.  read here...  Predator

[I CHNGE]

Torque Management is designed into the Avs PCM as a protective measure for your transmission primarily, and the remainder of the driveline secondarily...

The Predator programmer and others will not eliminate TM, although the Predator removes more of it when compared with other hand help programmers.  If I remember correctly the Predator removes about 30% of TM...

If you are serious about performance from the Av, you will need to bolster the transmission and drivetrain...

Then get custom PCM tuning, This can/will remove 80 to 100% of TM...Westers PCM is one way...

http://westers_garage.eidnet.org/

here is arguably the best source, LS1 edit...

http://forum.ls1truck.com/

In the mean time...remember the Av weighs over 6000 pounds...attempting to do "burn outs" is a surefire way to end up disabled on the side of the road...but if you insist...at least use a little bleach and water pit to lighten the load...oh...and take pics so you can remember what your Av looks like while it's in the shop being repaired...

[DeepRiverOnt]

...oh...and take pics so you can remember what your Av looks like while it's in the shop being repaired...

Good one

[VB-02]

   

[Avialanche]

Neutral drops are a real stupid thing to do, might as well smack the transmission's guts with a sledge hammer

[Mdz66]

Yeah what he said

[Z71HESSS]

why don't you just go buy your self a sports car to do burn outs.  Dropping your car in drive with the pedal to the floor, thats a dumb idea

[vawhitez66]

Down boys  

I think the poor guy got the point after about the fifth person.  

[PUNISHER]

Torque Management is designed into the Avs PCM as a protective measure for your transmission primarily, and the remainder of the driveline secondarily...

The Predator programmer and others will not eliminate TM, although the Predator removes more of it when compared with other hand help programmers.  If I remember correctly the Predator removes about 30% of TM...

If you are serious about performance from the Av, you will need to bolster the transmission and drivetrain...

Then get custom PCM tuning, This can/will remove 80 to 100% of TM...Westers PCM is one way...

http://westers_garage.eidnet.org/

here is arguably the best source, LS1 edit...

http://forum.ls1truck.com/

In the mean time...remember the Av weighs over 6000 pounds...attempting to do "burn outs" is a surefire way to end up disabled on the side of the road...but if you insist...at least use a little bleach and water pit to lighten the load...oh...and take pics so you can remember what your Av looks like while it's in the shop being repaired...

   Westers PCM's will eliminate TM.  and he is correct about the Predator.  it retunes TM to the "tune" of about 30%.  i stand corrected.

   i have to ask...  why this on an AV?  repeated abuse of the drivetrain under the weight of the truck could cause catostrophic failure of something.

[Flint4x4]

  i have to ask...  why this on an AV?  repeated abuse of the drivetrain under the weight of the truck could cause catostrophic failure of something.

Repeat that in Hard Wheelin'  

[PUNISHER]

  i have to ask...  why this on an AV?  repeated abuse of the drivetrain under the weight of the truck could cause catostrophic failure of something.

Repeat that in Hard Wheelin'  

   good point!!

[Chevalanche]

My Av burns out with no problem,stock 5.3 engine, 4.10 rear end, maybe you should have your's checked...............

[T-roy]

I like to put the nose up to something really big & strong like a mountain, California redwood or my wife. This holds me nice & steady while I smoke the tires.  

[james21]

I used to just burnout on my driveway until I broke a couple windows from rocks that were kicked up (gravel driveway). I also liked doing it on rain-soaked roads .

-James.

[ashadiow]

Left foot on brake.  right foot on gas.  smoke ALLLLLL DAY

[Chevalanche]

I just turn the wheel to the right a little, mash the pedal and voila, big beautiful black circles.(white smoke tooo)

[jonboyNY]

neutral drops above 1500 rpms= kiss your G80 goodbye.

[StrobinAvalanche]

We need a video or a pic of this.  Wish I could do this burnout.

[TitaniumFryCook]

I like to put the nose up to something really big & strong like a mountain, California redwood or my wife. This holds me nice & steady while I smoke the tires.  

Now THAT was the funniest thing I've read on this board......EVER!!!  

 

[Flint4x4]

Test drive a Corvette or SSR ?

[whitethunder]

the other day i was trying to burn out in my av, so i put it in 2 high, put it in neutral, revved it up, and slammed it into drive and all i get is this little squeek. i know this car can burn out SOMEHOW because of its power, but just how do you do it?

For true burn out pleasure I think you may want to get in touch with he who slays the Dragon!

Last time he Did a burn out i was behind him and that was during the winter and i'm still peeping little bits of rubber off the front end!

Standing neutral drop - very bad

brake stand better choice but with out some minor tweaks you may have to find a teee or wall to light them tires!  

[PUNISHER]

   i say trade the AV in, get a 'Vette, get a Corsa, and press number 4 in the link...


   Burn Out

[JustMove (aka Mini-Yak)]

I just put the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R's on my Av....I don't think I'll be doing any burn outs!!!

[Wvusquatch]

Well you can always do the Prince Fu-Fu burn out!  Just spray some armor-all on the rear tires and then have some fun!  Prince perfected this method at the Hotlanta GTG.

Squatch

[Wvusquatch]

I just put the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R's on my Av....I don't think I'll be doing any burn outs!!!

Great tires, have had mine on for about a year!  I will tell you add some rain and they will break lose if you have had any programming changes to your avalanche!

Squatch

[OviedoAv]

Well you can always do the Prince Fu-Fu burn out!  Just spray some armor-all on the rear tires and then have some fun!  Prince perfected this method at the Hotlanta GTG.

Squatch

Hey, that's some funny crap, right there  BTW, he swears he didn't do that

[TNAV]

Hey, that's some funny crap, right there  BTW, he swears he didn't do that

hahaha I was right there when he did it

[Chevalanche]

Test drive a Corvette or SSR ?

test drove the SSR.....................WOW!

[Alaska_AV.]

I managed to do a 4 wheel burn out in my AV. I used no liquids or dirt to do this. Approx 4 feet of roasted rubber

[Alaska_AV.]

  I was waiting for someone to call BS and demand a pic

[Avalanche Fox]

   

It's a good thing tires are cheap  

[suthrncop66]

Try some 13 inch tires

[BIGRED_Z-71]

With my engine mods and computer... I just push the pedal to the floor and she smokes them for a few feet... or I can hold the brake and give her full gas and oh yeah kiss my xterrains goodbye!


~BIGRED

[Prince_FuFu]

hahaha I was right there when he did it

I've never been completely surrounded by tire smoke like before.
That was fun.
We need pictures and video next time.
 

Rob

[bjkirk]

Reading this makes me want to be a tire salesman.
    Last time I burned out I was 18 years old showing off for a couple of young ladies. The trooper a couple of cars behind me was not impressed. He didn't even like my explanation   . What hurt the worst was the two young ladies laughing and waving as they drove away while the trooper pulled me over.  

[Airwolf]

I'm wondering about something...

Some have said that their AV burns out easily and some complain theirs won't.  Mine is one of the latter.  I have the G80 locker.  I would love to know by response here whether that might be the reason some will and some won't?

[BIGRED_Z-71]

Some of it is engine mods. The biggest problem is that chevy installed an abuser on our trucks. It makes it so the truck get cut of power off the line. I guess they figured you shouldn't be putting that much stress on a truck this big. I'm sure somebody who knows what I'm talking about can fully explain what I'm trying to say... somebody help me.  


~BIGRED

[Airwolf]

We all know about Torque Management on our AV's.  And I know that some have performance modifications.  What I'm wondering is that it seems some stock AV's can "burn rubber" while others cannot and wondered if it might have something to do with having a G80 locker or not.  Or is it something else?

[Airwolf]

I have the 2500 with locker and while the acceleration from stop is quite exhilerating, I almost never smoke and barely chirp the tires.  The voodoo mod made no discernable difference either.  If it's not G80 locker related, then is it possible that the level of torque management varies from truck to truck from the factory?

[sparky]

How to Smoke:
Take 5.3. add K&N FIPK, high flow exhaust, tog headers, supercharger, SC tuner
Mix well with Transgo shift kit.

That will smoke every time in first and squeal the tires going into 2nd  




Actually it is sometimes a PITA, like yesterday.. Thewre was a little rain and I had to take it VERY easy with my right foot.

[MrBill]

2500 with 4.10's. I have a hard time not spinning them. Give it a little more than normal gas and this thing fly's. Sorry guys I got this truck to tow and it is wonderful. Side benefit is you can feal 18 again. Now if they just make tires that are not $145 each.

BTW Everything is stock for now.

p.s. I did notice that after towing the trailer for a few hundred miles the transmission must reprogram it self. The truck goes like a rocket.

[Airwolf]

2500 with 4.10's. I have a hard time not spinning them. Give it a little more than normal gas and this thing fly's. Sorry guys I got this truck to tow and it is wonderful. Side benefit is you can feal 18 again. Now if they just make tires that are not $145 each.

BTW Everything is stock for now.

p.s. I did notice that after towing the trailer for a few hundred miles the transmission must reprogram it self. The truck goes like a rocket.

My 2500 also has 4.10's.  Does yours have the G80 locker?  Mine tears away from a stop quite nicely, but never with more than a chirp.  I'm not complaining about the power in my truck by any means, but I find it curious hearing about others "smoking the tires" in these things and would love to know if the differences among us are related to having a locking differential, different torque management levels, or ?

[MrBill]

Don't really know what the diff might be. I know my 2002 with 3.73 and locking differential ate tires. Now I know that this one will too. I tried to make a right turn and put the peddle into it, the wheels started to sping and the truck was starting to go sideways. Had to let off the gas. maybe the air in the tires, soft vs hard, maybe some are programmed different at the factory. Anyone have idea's? It's nice to know you can spin them, but most of the time it is just a pain.

[BADAV]

  I Know this thread is already dead but goin in reverse and slammin it in drive is just as bad a nuetral drops (alaska_av) so becareful doin that too.
  I had an 02 with all the lifts listed and 35's so there was no such joy for me smokin the tires but my 05 av will atleast spin them goin around corners but straight hole shots TM kills it. But I am puttin 6 inchses of lift and 35's on this weekend so even those days will be over soon.  

[bekind]

I think for those of you whom are having trouble spinning the tires, try flooring it around corners.  Works everytime for me.  Especially on the stock GYs with 40k miles on them.  I did however just switch to the BFGs and am still able to get a little slipage, but not as much...

~bekind

[txyank1]

Actually it is sometimes a PITA, like yesterday.. Thewre was a little rain and I had to take it VERY easy with my right foot.

Now that's a problem I have even with my FM 70 as the only "performance" mod. Well, plus the "SS" decal.  
The front end pushes quite a bit too in the rain. Nothing like a 6,000 lb. "power slide".

[txyank1]

When I was about 16 we had a stretch of country road that was old, old really smooth asphalt and on a slight grade. We'd put it in gear (auto), let it start coasting backwards and then nail it. Of course with our stick shifts you could even rev it up while you're coasting backwards and then pop the clutch. We had my Buddy's Father's '58 Ford station wagon so full of tire smoke we couldn't breathe! Yeah, we didn't have to buy the tires yet.  

[Alaska_AV.]

 I Know this thread is already dead but goin in reverse and slammin it in drive is just as bad a nuetral drops (alaska_av) so becareful doin that too.
  I had an 02 with all the lifts listed and 35's so there was no such joy for me smokin the tires but my 05 av will atleast spin them goin around corners but straight hole shots TM kills it. But I am puttin 6 inchses of lift and 35's on this weekend so even those days will be over soon.  

LOL. my answer was loaded with innuendo but I never put slammed it in reverse. I just meant my truck went fwd then back wards during the burn off...........Just having some fun ....

Download the Video..... http://home.comcast.net/~j.hyna/alaska.mpg

[DrX]

No tire spin on launch in my 04 K1500 with 3:73s and G80.
Had been wondering if this was due to TM or simply a power/weight issue.  I was a little disappointed after taking a similarly equipped 04 F150 for a drive that had no problem spinning the tires. Both vehicles have similar HP ratings. It gives one the impression that GM is using TM to compensate for a weak drivetrain. Has me a little concerned.  

[Fast Eddie]

There are several factors here:

1: Torque management is specifically designed to eliminate spinning tires and other abuses.

2: Some people have 2wd verses 4wd.  This is the same reason some people have highway mileage readings in the 20's when 4wd's can't manage more than 17.  2wd's will have far more power off the line due to weight and less tq mgmnt due to the defeatable traction control.

3.  Some people have 2500's- Tq mgmnt is not very useful to the gobs of power an 8.1 makes.

4: Some people say they can light them with a z-71 4wd 1500 but my guess is that 99/100 times that is around a corner or in the rain!!

5: Some of us drop in a 6.0 and add a turbo and buy stock in rubber companies, cause damn those tires won't stick in any circumstance!!!

Ed

[StrobinAvalanche]

Just spray the tires with tire shine . . . apply and little brake and floor it.  Work'd fine for me and other members at the gtg.

[SrgSlaughterAV]

I've done doughnuts in my stock 4wd AV .  Then got reprimanded by my Supervisor because it was in my work parking lot before we started.  I was beening egged on!  but as for power braking or burning out I have not achevied such without it being a lttle wet.  I take it easy most of the time unless i have some Punk kid in a sticker covered import with a big Fart CAN!!!  Then i give him a run for his money and usually put Big Frown on there face.

[chaoticTiger]

A very big difference is the size and structure of the tire's

When you got Off road tires, which are made for Mud conditions, the resistance on hard surfaces is a fraction of the resistance of a so called "winter tire".

On my Silverado I had Michelin 265/75/16" all terrain they where hard like a rock, after 60000 Ml it was hardly to see that they where used!! 

The mods I made where; catbag exhaust, Hypertech III and K&N replacement filter.
On dry road it was still drivable but a little rain I have to start in second or third gear other wise the car was dangerous !

When I was driving about  60 Mph on the highway and put the metal on the floor it started spinning up to 100 Mph !
And that was no funny anymore specially when you want to overtake other cars !

On my 2003 avalanch I have got rain/snow tires (much softer) I hardly have the problem anymore!

But for the guys who want to burnout !

Put more PSI into the tires ?
More pressure results in less resistance,
Remove your spare tire/wheel (less pressure on the rear wheels)

You can increase the torq ratio !
Differential ratio
Smaller tires
Higher engine compression
NOS injection
Less breathing resistance (airfilter/exhaust/headers) etc..

But remember more Torq at ;lower RPM makes a difference instead of more HP!

[PUNISHER]

   this is how i would burn-out...

[UnderDog]

 I Know this thread is already dead but goin in reverse and slammin it in drive is just as bad a nuetral drops (alaska_av) so becareful doin that too.
  I had an 02 with all the lifts listed and 35's so there was no such joy for me smokin the tires but my 05 av will atleast spin them goin around corners but straight hole shots TM kills it. But I am puttin 6 inchses of lift and 35's on this weekend so even those days will be over soon.  

LOL. my answer was loaded with innuendo but I never put slammed it in reverse. I just meant my truck went fwd then back wards during the burn off...........Just having some fun ....

Download the Video..... http://home.comcast.net/~j.hyna/alaska.mpg

Hey Alaska_AV,
I watched your video - not what I was expecting.  What's that F*rd doing there and you let him out gun you.  How embarrassing....    We want to see the smoke that would have came from the pictures you posted!!   

Post the real video or even get a rematch. 

Well actually, with the F*rd's long wheel base and possibly a diesel engine, it would have a little of an advantage.  A deisel truck would have a lot more torque and the long wheel base - well I'm not sure how to explain but maybe it's weight distribution???  Long wheel base vehicle always seem to perform, maneuver, haul, and drive smoother than shorter wheel base venicles.  Weight should be about the same though.

[Alaska_AV.]

That Ford was a f-350 7.* 'chipped' turbo diesel 8200lbs
 My AV was  stock at 6900lbs. we scaled our trucks. full of work tools and the like

I figured I could out drive him and well, power makes up for being sneaky. I did win 1 out of the 3 pulls. One pull he had Axel hop so bad it damn near twisted out. tragically its the real video of the marks being made.....

I had my revenge though, we had a mountain top job to do one week, he had to chain up all 4 wheels to make it up one stretch of trail up the mountain and do a 3 point hair pin turn at mid point.

Not me bro, 4 high I billy goat-ed up the hill and drifted the turn then met him at the top...every day! 2 foot of snow on ice with wind blown drifts....he chain up and I'd watch from inside my cab waiting for my turn at the hill....

[HAVOC 29]

Neutral drop....LOL............

Good way to break the AV!!!

[Flint4x4]

HOW TO BURN OUT ?

 Budweiser for breakfast and/or live past 40   

[Cruise438]

My Av burns out with no problem,stock 5.3 engine, 4.10 rear end, maybe you should have your's checked...............

Ditto here!

[moosc]

 supercharger or turbo Av wasnt designed to do burn outs she weighs way to much

[Kurt-1200rs]

wow,  4 pages of ripping this guyt apart is pretty good guys.. i think i'll go outside and rev it up and drop it into gear DUH!

[dhrivnak]

I'm wondering about something...

Some have said that their AV burns out easily and some complain theirs won't.  Mine is one of the latter.  I have the G80 locker.  I would love to know by response here whether that might be the reason some will and some won't?

I have the 3.73 gears and a stock 5.3 with a locking rear end.  It is hard for me to get more than a chirp on dry pavement.  On a wet corner I have to be careful but on straight dry pavement I will not be burning up the tires.  Now I have not tried a neutral drop or similar crazy antic.  I would prefer my truck to last at least another 100,000 miles. 

But while it does not burn rubber it has all the power I have ever needed even when pulling 3500 extra pounds.  I have never had a problem easily exceeding any of the speed limits around here so I am not complaining.

[Dano702]

This is one more reason to never buy anything used   Some people have no clue. My truck is an 04 GMC short box reg cab . It weighs 4100 and change full of gas.   3.73:1 locking rear with a 5300 .  If i snap the pedal down quick enough i can make the stock tires CHIRP
 
 It just goes fast and doesn't spin  , just like it should be

[Darkhorse]

It just goes fast and doesn't spin  , just like it should be

Well stated!
My Avy would chirp the tires before I went with 20s, wasn't a horsepower issue, just tires protesting at having to move all that weight.

[msheldon]

My $.02

If you do not have the G80 locking diff, it will be easier to burn out, because only one wheel is getting the actual power once one of them breaks free.

If you do have the G80 locking diff, it will be harder to do a burn out, because as soon as one tire loses traction, the locking diff will engage, putting power down to both wheels again. This is why so many folks can only get a chirp.

That said, if you do have the G80 rear, don't intentionally do burnouts. If one of the wheels breaks free quickly enough, and spins up to a high speed before the locking diff can fully engage, (which can happen when you have the pedal mashed to the floor) you will very likely grenade the differential. The G80 is not designed for street racing, which is why you won't find it on a Corvette.

[PUNISHER]

   Like This!!

[Black Snow Slide]

My magical ingredients for filling the air with white clouds of burnt rubber.
1. Dodge Magnum R/T with Magnaflow exhaust, Mopar air intake, Dyna Tech headers, 4.10 gears with Possi Track, and Thrash power programmer.
2. Push button on right side of dash labeled " Traction Controll"
3. Close windows and turn  A/C to recycle. ( Goto be able to breath )
4. Only need about 1/3 gas pedal
5. Spin and smoke to your hearts content.
6. Back up to the tree.
7. When the light hits green carfully nail it to get good hook up on the track.
8. At the end of the 1/4 mile shut down
9. Console the Mustang Cobra owner that its OK to get your ass whipped by a station wagon.
10. See step 1

[burritoboi5]

Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of burnouts but I do have a little fun occasionaly when it snows.  Otherwise I just like kicking it into four and marveling at those three magical marks...Z-7-1.

To comment on the whole engine reprograming in a stock truck though it's definitley true.  For instance my majas new Escalade has been lets say broken in properly     So that combined with the weight difference makes that thing a rocket compared to the AVY.  But if you ever wanna really get the AV haulin a$$ and movin fast just put it in stealth mode

you know deslect both side view mirrors and hit the adjustment button inwards.  Didn't know that the AV had a feature this cool but when I found out about "stealthMode" I almost $h17 my pants.   

I love this truck

[jrtoons]

I don't think I saw one person even mention the traction control.  Turn it off-

Also - saying the diff in these trucks isn't built for burnouts is crazy.

Truck diffs have been used since the beginning of time as heavy duty parts for drag racing.  I have a Ford 9" rear in my pro street 1937 Coupe with a Chevy 454ci engine and turbo 400 trans.  The rear came from a truck as did the locker.  It has taken unimaginable abuse.

I would say that it is still crazy to try to do burnouts on dry pavement in a truck like ours.  Take it off road and have fun sliding around and spinning the tires where they were meant to spun!  But turn off the traction control!!!

[burritoboi5]

Forgot to mention I have a friend who has an f250 super with the FX4 offroad package.  And even though it's a F@rd that bully dog chip certainly does create some pretty impressive 4wd burnouts.

[cadboy1]

My Impala SS can liquify the tires at will, but at $249 per tire I resist the urge as best I can

[MEDICO]

AAAWWWW Come on Guys. We were all young and stupid  sometime in our lives. We've merely grown up

Like someone else stated... The cost of tires precludes me from doing it Spinning the tires don't get ya there any faster

But if ya have to do it... It's funny that many of you youngsters don't know what the area is called at the dragstrip where you warm up your tires... The Bleach Box... Try some, It will work

[SrgSlaughterAV]

Hey guys!  I wrote a post here a little over a year ago!  I have done a lot of growing up since then and Fixed the av a couple of times probably from running it hard.  So as of now i have settled down a little and drive a lot more resonably.  For gas prices and bill prices when you brake something is outrageous and i can't afford it. 

But .... One sat night a couple of years ago a couple of buddies and i were consumming some beverages of choice.  We came up with a brilliant idea at the time. Pour some gas and lighter fliud and some 151 over the Tires of an 76 blazer with built 350 and 35'' mud dawg tires.  ( note : Iwas aginst using 151 as to alchol abuse).  What we ended up with was a big Firery burn out.  How we got away without magor carnage or getting hurt is beyond my comprihention.  But it was really cool to watch!
SRG

[burritoboi5]

   We need some pics of that next time 

[SrgSlaughterAV]

YEAH I WISH WE HAD PICS!    It was just one of those things that just happened!!

[KY_BOB]

how to burn out??

 

[FlaBouy]

I like it...........

[ajeromeoms]

which is a better rear end, the 4:10 or the 3:73???

[WILDFIRE]

which is a better rear end, the 4:10 or the 3:73???

for burn outs? the 4:10

welcome to the club

[KY_BOB]

for burn outs? the 4:10

welcome to the club

ditto and ditto


 

[jjavo03]

My avo will lay a smoke show full posi for ever.  I have an auburn posi pack, and 4:56 gears








Edited by I CHNGE...removed siggy as size exceeds site standard...tranferred pics to body of post...

[MS03 2500]

Nice AV jjavo03
But you need to make your sig picture smaller

[cadboy1]

I like the exhaust through the rear 

[MS03 2500]

That is pretty cool isn't it.

[I CHNGE]

Nice AV jjavo03
But you need to make your sig picture smaller

True that...on both accounts...

I edited the siggy and tranferred the pics to the body of his post...

[curry]

turn off traction control for one. wet road 
if i can burn my 37s with traction control off im sure you can

[Van]

"slammed it into drive "

NO!  Bad dog... BAD DOG...       
Anything you do (power braking, etc) is going to cost you $$$ down the road.

[canadiansuperman]

ok so I peeked into this thread and read the first post and yes i know this was ages ago but i feel i need to say that ITS NOT A FRIGGEN CAR. this may bring up an argument as to weather or not its actually a "truck" but I do know that IT IS NOT A CAR. lol

[MS03 2500]

ok so I peeked into this thread and read the first post and yes i know this was ages ago but i feel i need to say that ITS NOT A FRIGGEN CAR. this may bring up an argument as to weather or not its actually a "truck" but I do know that IT IS NOT A CAR. lol

  Sometimes you have to  say WTF

[Warcraft8181]

Those exhausts are soo cool! No towing though?